Control surface conundrum...

dbender · Post by **dbender** » Wed Apr 11, 2007 6:08 am

yeah... have used computer vacuum and canned air........also have tried to realign faders seated in unit with the screw above and below each fader......have also in terms of firmware tweaked hell out of pref sensitivity, timeout and feedback settings for the faders with little difference (but some help, which is potentially promising).....

How else would one clean these babies? The slots are too narrow to insert cotton swab dipped in alcohol (assuming it's cool to do that even).

Am getting desperate now and am tempted to take apart unit and look around......or get a Mackie Control Universal.....

Lastly, have also emailed both addresses on Radikal's (apparently moribund) website, without any response.....so am going to try both US and German phone numbers as last resort, other than reaching out to my musical dp comrades here.....

Any suggestions or help would be appreciated!

giles117 · Post by **giles117** » Fri May 18, 2007 8:29 pm

I figured I'd revitalize this thread seeing that I have learned more about the Euphonix System MC and have ordered one for my rig.

This Controller will 100% control EVERY function in DP and EVERY keystroke command....(including any and all macros)

Someone commented in this thread that it was at best 80%.. I dare to challenge them to Demo this unit and find that it is at best 110%. LOL.

For the 20K List price this unit is beyond worth it. and when configured with 16 or 32 faders, I doubt you;d ever need another control surface for at least 10 years.

Consider this controller a BLANK SLATE that you can configure however you like. The ingeniusness of this controller is that you can assign any of the 88 buttons on the surface to send any keyboard command, etc... everything is assignable.....As you desire for it to be assigned.

AND it supports HUI AND MCU protocols for the standard buttons... That.. Are again... Completely assignable.....

Heck, it made me sell my MCU units...

mcevilley · Post by **mcevilley** » Fri May 18, 2007 10:24 pm

giles117 wrote:I figured I'd revitalize this thread seeing that I have learned more about the Euphonix System MC and have ordered one for my rig.

This Controller will 100% control EVERY function in DP and EVERY keystroke command....(including any and all macros)

Someone commented in this thread that it was at best 80%.. I dare to challenge them to Demo this unit and find that it is at best 110%. LOL.

For the 20K List price this unit is beyond worth it. and when configured with 16 or 32 faders, I doubt you;d ever need another control surface for at least 10 years.

Consider this controller a BLANK SLATE that you can configure however you like. The ingeniusness of this controller is that you can assign any of the 88 buttons on the surface to send any keyboard command, etc... everything is assignable.....As you desire for it to be assigned.

AND it supports HUI AND MCU protocols for the standard buttons... That.. Are again... Completely assignable.....

Heck, it made me sell my MCU units...

I'd love to hear more about it when you have it up and running. It looks really awesome. How much does it cost to add 16 or 32 faders?

Frodo · Post by **Frodo** » Fri May 18, 2007 10:29 pm

giles117 wrote: Someone commented in this thread that it was at best 80%.. I dare to challenge them to Demo this unit and find that it is at best 110%. LOL.

For the 20K List price this unit is beyond worth it. and when configured with 16 or 32 faders, I doubt you;d ever need another control surface for at least 10 years.

The 80% guy would have been me!

But man-- $20k? That comes to almost $670 per percentage point up to 110%!

But hey-- if it works... who needs money, anyway?

waxman · Post by **waxman** » Fri May 18, 2007 10:55 pm

Let those who have ears hear...

summer namm...

rainmaker · Post by **rainmaker** » Sat May 19, 2007 12:01 am

I think I already asked waxman this, but, here goes again... Waxman, do you know something specific that the rest of us don't??? Please do tell if you do!!!

Rainmaker

giles117 · Post by **giles117** » Sat May 19, 2007 5:01 am

mcevilley wrote:
giles117 wrote:I figured I'd revitalize this thread seeing that I have learned more about the Euphonix System MC and have ordered one for my rig.

This Controller will 100% control EVERY function in DP and EVERY keystroke command....(including any and all macros)

Someone commented in this thread that it was at best 80%.. I dare to challenge them to Demo this unit and find that it is at best 110%. LOL.

For the 20K List price this unit is beyond worth it. and when configured with 16 or 32 faders, I doubt you;d ever need another control surface for at least 10 years.

Consider this controller a BLANK SLATE that you can configure however you like. The ingeniusness of this controller is that you can assign any of the 88 buttons on the surface to send any keyboard command, etc... everything is assignable.....As you desire for it to be assigned.

AND it supports HUI AND MCU protocols for the standard buttons... That.. Are again... Completely assignable.....

Heck, it made me sell my MCU units...
I'd love to hear more about it when you have it up and running. It looks really awesome. How much does it cost to add 16 or 32 faders?

Each bank of 8 Faders is approx 24K List. thats factoring in the frame. You can order the bank of 8 without the frame. (I never inquired about that config.)

giles117 · Post by **giles117** » Sat May 19, 2007 5:02 am

Frodo wrote:
giles117 wrote: Someone commented in this thread that it was at best 80%.. I dare to challenge them to Demo this unit and find that it is at best 110%. LOL.

For the 20K List price this unit is beyond worth it. and when configured with 16 or 32 faders, I doubt you;d ever need another control surface for at least 10 years.

The 80% guy would have been me!

But man-- $20k? That comes to almost $670 per percentage point up to 110%!

But hey-- if it works... who needs money, anyway?

Thats why I am leasing it. LOL. $400/month is far easier on my wallet than 20K up front. Hmm... New car... Control surface to help me make more money faster.. I agonize. LOL.

giles117 · Post by **giles117** » Sat May 19, 2007 5:08 am

waxman wrote:Let those who have ears hear...

summer namm...

And let those that have ears to hear.......

Winter AES. LOL.

We can wait and wait and wait, there will always be something new and "better"

I prefer to work and work and work. If it will handle me today.. Who cares whats lurking around the corner. Just be in position to move to it... If it's better.....

Position is the Most important thing.....

So he that has ears to hear, So let him what the ...... is saying to him.

Be where you need to be....

waxman · Post by **waxman** » Sat May 19, 2007 7:19 am

Oh pharoah oh Pharoah why so aware?
Must be the big ears hiding in there
I wish I was free to more freely share
Euphonix and Mackie just don't compare

To all the young Turks
Now get back to work!

mcevilley · Post by **mcevilley** » Sat May 19, 2007 9:39 am

giles117 wrote:Each bank of 8 Faders is approx 24K List. thats factoring in the frame. You can order the bank of 8 without the frame. (I never inquired about that config.)

OUCH!

waxman · Post by **waxman** » Sat May 19, 2007 9:57 am

PRINCIPAL $20,000
INTEREST 8.00%
TERM 60 Months

Payment $406
Total Paid $24,332

Wonder what it will be worth in June of 2012? 4 faders or 2 joysticks? Can it double as a xbox controller?

The design seems directed at a integrated video post house...

Mixing music?

to quote Jessica Simpson... "I don't know what it is but I want it!"

What does the System 5-MC cost?

BobGuitar335 · Post by **BobGuitar335** » Sat May 19, 2007 11:48 am

my 2 cents...

While the MCU isn't 100% integrated with DP it does what I really need it to do. What it doe do I think it does well. For my work I just couldn't get by with a single fader.

I spent a little time getting comfortable with using the transport controls and keyboard shortcuts available. Once I did that I've been hooked. Since I'm mostly working in audio with some MIDI I'm not asking much more than a standard mixing board.

I've been using it about 3 years and it has made a difference in getting the work done.

YouTube · Post by **James Steele** » Sat May 19, 2007 12:27 pm

Wow... I've just lurked on this thread. I guess, yeah, if you're making bucks you can definitely justify it. When you break it down to $400/mo. that's not so bad, but holy moly... $20K and $24K per bank of faders... yeeeeoooouuuchhhhh!!!!

Of course the cool thing is that I *KNOW* Brad doesn't have one... yet!

tblanchard · Post by **tblanchard** » Sat May 19, 2007 6:57 pm

BobGuitar335 wrote:While the MCU isn't 100% integrated with DP it does what I really need it to do. What it does do I think it does well.

That's good to hear. Looking at the MCU Pro - the only difference I can see is new color scheme, slightly different enclosure, new improved jog wheel. Nothing else seems improved.

OTOH, the advent of the pro has resulted in dumping of the older versions on the market at about half price. So I'm thinking this is a good time to pick up a surface on the cheap.