Beethoven Lovers: Must see this (if you want to vomit)

FMiguelez · Post by **FMiguelez** » Fri Nov 14, 2008 9:55 am

.

This is a Joke, right?

How can someone do this to such a master piece?

Scroll down, and check the first 2 movements

http://hodie-world.com/cms_fr_full/comp ... 2/lang,en/

FMiguelez · Post by **FMiguelez** » Fri Nov 14, 2008 10:09 am

.

OMG!! ALL the movements are like that!

I hate it when they take them too fast, but this is just ridiculous.

Beethoven must have wanted to die (again) after hearing this.

I think they pay that clown by the minute

MIDI Life Crisis · Post by **MIDI Life Crisis** » Fri Nov 14, 2008 11:56 am

I saw this last month - around Oct3 - and they are still playing thru the last movement! Haven't shut off the computer yet as I am dying to see how they finish. NOT!

The 1st movement was kind of interesting for about 15 seconds. Then I couldn't stand it any longer. That they open the first movement with B's death mask is most appropriate. "They killed Ludwig. Those bastards!"

Seriously, when I was in high school we read thru the piece faster than that. But if you want to slow down the piece to really study the harmonies and orchestration, the recording could have some value. Of course at that speed, you could get a Ph.D. in Musicology by the time you listen to the recording. I just LOVE that they open the scherzo with the word "Vivace" as penned by B. then play is Largo. Well, is does mean 'musical joke.'

FMiguelez · Post by **FMiguelez** » Fri Nov 14, 2008 2:36 pm

MIDI Life Crisis wrote:I saw this last month - around Oct3 - and they are still playing thru the last movement! Haven't shut off the computer yet as I am dying to see how they finish. NOT!

MIDI Life Crisis wrote: But if you want to slow down the piece to really study the harmonies and orchestration, the recording could have some value.\

Very good point. I hadn't thought about it like that. Someone trying to familiarize with the individual and ensemble sounds could benefit from this.

But that was certainly not the original intent of this guy. At least I don't think so. What can he possibly be trying to do? Is that supposed to be a kind of statement of some sort? What's his point, other than annoy people?

I wonder how he convinced all those players to agree to something like that. I'd love to hear his logic or thinking (or lack of) behind this "performance".

Hmmmm... On second thought, maybe not worth my time listening to that, actually.

I need to play a good performance now to forget about this one

bkshepard · Post by **bkshepard** » Fri Nov 14, 2008 3:39 pm

I think my favorite part is the little line in the titles at the beginning that says "Urtext edited by Dr. Maximianno Cobra." Obviously, his vast research and experience has led him to this "incredible" interpretation.

MIDI Life Crisis · Post by **MIDI Life Crisis** » Fri Nov 14, 2008 3:53 pm

bkshepard wrote:I think my favorite part is the little line in the titles at the beginning that says "Urtext edited by Dr. Maximianno Cobra."

THAT SNAKE!

Seriously, I always found it best to REMEMBER bad performances. What you DON'T do can be as important as what you dodo and long as you don't do doo-doo. Or as a conductor once told be just before premiering an important work for piano and orchestra (I was soloist): Just don't play any wrong notes. Sage advice, indeed!

monkey man · Post by **monkey man** » Fri Nov 14, 2008 6:10 pm

Speaking of doo-doo, Magilla, I've heard better movements in pregnant orangutangs.

Not that I've listened to the link...

MIDI Life Crisis · Post by **MIDI Life Crisis** » Fri Nov 14, 2008 6:17 pm

monkey man wrote:Speaking of doo-doo, Magilla, I've heard better movements in pregnant orangutangs.

Not that I've listened to the link...

Are you referring to the missing link?

Phil O · Post by **Phil O** » Sat Nov 15, 2008 8:35 am

Gentlemen (and ladies), welcome to the real world. There's always going to be someone presenting crap and calling it art. In my humble opinion you have just heard and seen the epitome of CRAP.

Phil

MIDI Life Crisis · Post by **MIDI Life Crisis** » Sat Nov 15, 2008 9:49 am

Phil O wrote:Gentlemen (and ladies), welcome to the real world. There's always going to be someone presenting crap and calling it art. In my humble opinion you have just heard and seen the epitome of CRAP.

Phil

I don't see it exactly that way. The performance, especially considering the slow tempo decisions, is really quite good. The artistic decision is also not necessarily "bad" or "good" but doesn't represent the composers instructions. This happens all the time. Now while I don't like what the conductor did performance wise, I found it pretty interesting artistically to try it. No, an audience would probably walk out (or at least leave for breakfast (assuming an 8PM start time for the concert). OTOH, as mentioned earlier, it does allow the listened to get a hint of the depth and internal workings of the piece.

Now all that said, I'd love to see this guy tackle a Bruckner symphony and I'm sure his handing of the Mahler 5th Adagietto would be something to behold. And behold. And behold...

Phil O · Post by **Phil O** » Sat Nov 15, 2008 11:38 am

MIDI Life Crisis wrote:I don't see it exactly that way.

OK, I respect your opinion. I just didn't like it at all. In fact, I found it a bit offensive, all though I'll admit I didn't listen to much of it. But if you found some merit in it, that's cool.
But if this guy messes with Tchaikovsky, I'm gunning for him!

Phil

monkey man · Post by **monkey man** » Sat Nov 15, 2008 6:29 pm

The race has been on for eons in Jungleville for an efficient, proven method of converting good stuff to poo.

Humans are sitting on a pile of embarrassingly rich... I mean, embarrassing riches.

wrathy · Post by **wrathy** » Mon Nov 17, 2008 5:03 pm

If you are at all interested in the relationship between conductor and composer, check out this amazing book by Gunther Schuller:

http://www.oup.com/us/catalog/general/s ... 0195126617

Its a great read. The detail is stunning. And while I don't agree with every last word, the research is so complete that its difficult to disagree with his arguments.

FMiguelez · Post by **FMiguelez** » Mon Nov 17, 2008 5:26 pm

wrathy wrote:If you are at all interested in the relationship between conductor and composer, check out this amazing book by Gunther Schuller:

http://www.oup.com/us/catalog/general/s ... 0195126617

Its a great read. The detail is stunning. And while I don't agree with every last word, the research is so complete that its difficult to disagree with his arguments.

My girlfriend was struggling thinking what she could get me for X-mas. I'll send her the link, because I want that book.

Thanks for the link!

Also, I think most of you in this thread have read it, but in case you haven't: Wagner's On Conducting is an amazing little book to read. I truly loved it.
You can really picture Beethoven screaming : HOLD MY FERMATAS!!!!

MIDI Life Crisis · Post by **MIDI Life Crisis** » Tue Nov 18, 2008 7:18 am

Hold the fermatas? Sounds more like something you'd tell the guy at the tamale stand.

Hey, did that guy just spicatto on my suave? Morando!

MOTUnation.com

Beethoven Lovers: Must see this (if you want to vomit)

Beethoven Lovers: Must see this (if you want to vomit)

Re: Beethoven Lovers: Must see this (if you want to vomit)

Re: Beethoven Lovers: Must see this (if you want to vomit)

Re: Beethoven Lovers: Must see this (if you want to vomit)

Re: Beethoven Lovers: Must see this (if you want to vomit)

Re: Beethoven Lovers: Must see this (if you want to vomit)

Re: Beethoven Lovers: Must see this (if you want to vomit)

Re: Beethoven Lovers: Must see this (if you want to vomit)

Re: Beethoven Lovers: Must see this (if you want to vomit)

Re: Beethoven Lovers: Must see this (if you want to vomit)

Re: Beethoven Lovers: Must see this (if you want to vomit)

Re: Beethoven Lovers: Must see this (if you want to vomit)

Re: Beethoven Lovers: Must see this (if you want to vomit)

Re: Beethoven Lovers: Must see this (if you want to vomit)

Re: Beethoven Lovers: Must see this (if you want to vomit)