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FOCUSRITE LIQUID MIX--very cool

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Hey guys, Happy Memorial Day by the way...especially to any of those that have or are serving in our military! In light of the recent UAD1LE thread, I thought I would post some information about an up and coming product that some or many of you all have heard of by now that is really cool. Those that know me know I'm a big Focusrite fan owning a lot of their stuff including a couple of Liquid Channels (I scaled down from three! LOL). I have a tight relationship with Focusrite and because of this, I've been in the loop for quite some time on a new product coming from them and had the opportunity to sit in a closed door meeting going over a new product that would be a wonderful companion to DP.... the LIQUID MIX. I apologize to those that think this is a "sales post". I'm in a unique position where I get to interface with some of the manufacturer's top guns and see products before they are announced to the public and after they are, to see them in beta. In some cases, I get to help design product concepts and features, do beta testing and then ultimately see from a 10,000ft view how they are really doing. I have been contacted privately by a handful asking my thoughts on this product, so I thought I would just do a post about it for those that are interested in knowing more as well.

As you know, there are a couple of DSP-based processing options out there including the POWERCORE series and the UAD1 as well as the APA from Waves and a few others coming. But Liquid Mix is very unique, yet highly affordable. Basically, this is taking the Liquid technology by giving you full compression but have added full-on EQ as well. Using dynamic convolution, it's a pain-staking sampling process. While I can't reveal all of the information, I can tell you that one particular preset had over 8,000 samples in it to produce that EQ emulation. Playing with the hardware, it's a very compact desktop control surface giving you actual knobs and buttons to get around and control the system. The screen display is quite nice and simple to operate (it connects via firewire). You can have a total of 64-plugins running, but that is divided into 32-EQ and 32-Compressors. The processing is handled on the unit itself, but like other native-based DSP cards (native based meaning you're still dealing with sample buffers), there are resources that need to be used. What I do not yet know is how much load this will run on your computer when running all 32-channels, but then again with a dual-processor G5 or the new Intel Macs...come on!! :-) Having gotten to play around with, it sounds really good and is highly powerful! The EQ emulations respond like traditional EQ's including the filters, additional controls, etc. What really impressed me was being able to take an EQ and create your own using the various emulations. Because I can't use the actual names, let's just say you want a mid-range EQ from a very popular British console but you want the high's from a particular outboard piece, all while maybe a high-pass filter from another console. There are sceenes that can be saved with each session, recalling your settings. Unfortunately if you're moving from one appliction to another, this is an issue. What I'm not sure of at this point are presets, hmmmmm. The only issue I had was there was a redraw lag on the computer screen but then again, this is a pre-production beta unit so that was expected. However on the display itself, it was pretty quick. A simple, yet effectve design, is the speed of the rotary pots---turn it slow, it moves in smaller increments but turn it quick and it jumps faster, nice.

The Liquid Channel is an amazing box, a killer pre on its own. But add in the technology and it is one of the most versatile tools for tracking in the studio. Does it really sound absolutely identical to the real hardware it's emulating? No, although in some cases it is hard to tell. But IMHO I don't think that is the way to think of the Liquid Channel but rather, one box gives you so much tonal variety. Who cares if it sounds identical, because it just gives you a variety to choose from. That is how I feel about Liquid Mix, the EQ and Compression emulations are very good and close to the originals but whether they are the same are not isn't the point--it's about different sounds, tools, and a variety to choose from instantly. It's priced to be very affordable, will give you high quality tools and freeing up other resources, hands-on control, and a simple interface.

This will be released on the Mac first supporting Audio Units, so for DP users it will be ready to go when released this summer/fall. I'm on the PC running ProToolsHD, so I have to wait :-( The other issue for we ProTools users is it's not directly RTAS or TDM, it supports RTAS via a wrapper which I am not fond of. But I'll be testing the PC version with ProTools when those beta drivers are available. I've had a handful of people contact me privately asking my thoughts on this box, so I thought I would just bring that information here. I think it's going to be cool.
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Thanks for all of that info. I've definitely been tracking the progress of this unit (Liquid Mix). It sounds like an awesome piece of gear.
The big question....
When will it be ready to ship?
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It's the infamous "soon" :-) I want to say they said the end of July, but don't quote me on that. I would anticipate late summer or early fall. Oh something I forgot to address and that is the firewire bus! This "could be" an issue for those using 828's and 896's (okay, all firewire interface's). I do know that when/if multiple units are to be supported, it would require a new firewire bus. So that leads me down the path of how much strain is it really on the firewire bus? This goes back to the using all 32-channels of EQ and Compression, how much load is it really? Hmmmm

When I get a shipping-unit to fully-test, I'll provide a report I'm sure. FYI this is what I'm referring to for those that do not know what I'm talking about: http://www.focusrite.com/productdetails ... 2&iRange=1
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Any idea on the price of this bad boy?

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Ouote from Focusrite's FAQs
Q: What••™s the expansion card all about?

A: This is for people wanting more instances at higher sample rates. Without the expansion card, the number or instances of the Liquid Mix software (maximum number of channels that can be processed simultaneously) reduces as the sample rate doubles, e.g. 8 @ 88.2/96kHz and 2 @ 176.4/192kHz. With the expansion card, this number doubles to 16 @ 88.2/96kHz and 4 @ 176.4/192kHz.
It seems this is not much of a help for someone working at higher sample rates. Even with the expansion card, only 16 tracks @88.2/96kHz!!! They also say you can only run 1 unit, they are not chainable.
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You can only run one unit, but there is an upgrade slot in the bottom, which will let you double the power down the line.
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Post by rainmaker »

Hello Brad,

Thanks for the info. One question about latency. I know the unit itself will introduce some latency. But what I'm wondering is if DP's automatic compensation will take care of this like it does automatically with Powercore and UAD-1. Of course I'm refering to mixing, not tracking. If this is the way it works then latency won't be an issue at all. Conside mine pre-ordered.

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I assume "yes", but assuming means nothing :-) We'll know more about it when they are ready for release and can actually try them out in an actual recording application.
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Post by wynsmth »

You can only run one unit, but there is an upgrade slot in the bottom, which will let you double the power down the line.
Yea, that slot doubles the power(or lack of it) from 8 tracks to 16 tracks @96k!!!
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Post by spirit »

And when is the SSL box going to be available?

Some old rivalries don't seem to want to stop, though in the 80's SSL fans were mainly for the functionality not neccesarily the sound- though the sound of a 1000 hit records has become something desirable in and of itself (as well as the newer SSL's providing EQ less subject to cricism). More variety of tools, which is better BMW, Mercedes, Lexus?- hey- there are a lot of songs popular that are more in the Escalade vein!
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spirit wrote:And when is the SSL box going to be available?

Some old rivalries don't seem to want to stop, though in the 80's SSL fans were mainly for the functionality not neccesarily the sound- though the sound of a 1000 hit records has become something desirable in and of itself (as well as the newer SSL's providing EQ less subject to cricism). More variety of tools, which is better BMW, Mercedes, Lexus?- hey- there are a lot of songs popular that are more in the Escalade vein!
Duende (SSL Box) is going to be twice the price of Liquid Mix and only offers the SSL G/E series Eq's and the Master Bus Comp. both of which are coming from there C series digital consoles. I can't imagine that they won't sound good because the Waves version of there EQ/Bus Comp is killer.
Problem is EQ and Comp. diversity which is what the Focusrite box offers.
On top of that, the Liquid mix is more portable vs the 19" rack 1 space Duende box. Besides that this is an exciting time for all.
Imagine having a magma chasis with 4 UAD cards, a Duende and a Liquid mix? All primo comps and EQ emulations are covered.
That's crazy 8)
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Post by mikerbaker »

rikp wrote:Any idea on the price of this bad boy?

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Projected is $799 here in the U.S.
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Post by Dubnick »

I just saw it listed in EQ as being at a MSRP of $699 - is that just older or incorrect info? Also, how are the compressor models? In particular, how does the 1176 and LA-2A stack up against the UAD versions? Also, I too am very interested in knowing if it will be fully compatible with the DP ADC or at least come with a listing of the total delay incurred so people can use latency fixer. I'd have to assume they know that people are going to want be able to use parallel compression with some ease. Thanks for the info - definately interested in this product!
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Post by Splinter »

Dubnick wrote:Also, I too am very interested in knowing if it will be fully compatible with the DP ADC or at least come with a listing of the total delay incurred so people can use latency fixer.
For Focusrite not to include ADC would be completely assanine. It's part of the AU standard to report latency to the host. Every other plug manufacturer implements it, so why would Focusrite not? I agree that we're just assuming without Focusrite announcing it or actually trying it, but it is probably a fair assumption. I can't imagine how much latency there must be on the LM with 32 channels of audio travelling bidirectionally down FW400. I'd think it unbearable without ADC.
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