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DP5 new features question--?

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Has new version o fDP ( DP5) added the abllity to have the mixer window follow the tracks when selected when it is not in Consolidated Window mode? It should bring up the mixing channel when you select it's corresponding track and it should work that way with the Mackie Control also, in my opinion.

Secondly, have they improved Freeze function? It's a little clumsy in my book. I see that they added the Virtual Instruments- MIDI track window
when adding a new VI. Very cool, as I always wanted that feature.

Thanks in advance

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When you say "follow", do you mean that if you select specific tracks in the Tracks Window that the corresponding tracks (only) will appear in the Mixer Window when it is opened without using Consolidated Windows? (DP uses the term "follow" when refering the the scroll wiper.)

If so, then yes. Without CW active, I can select specific tracks in the Tracks Overview, and just those tracks will open in the Mixer.

As for the Freeze function, my only complaint so far is that it takes too long. Freezes on my system are in real time as opposed to BTD. I didn't find anything clumsy about freezing tracks-- not yet, but I'm still testing.
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Re: DP5 new features question--?

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RMD Music wrote:Has new version o fDP ( DP5) added the abllity to have the mixer window follow the tracks when selected when it is not in Consolidated Window mode? It should bring up the mixing channel when you select it's corresponding track and it should work that way with the Mackie Control also, in my opinion.
I'm not clear on what you're asking. Are you saying that selecting a track in the track window should automatically bring up the same track in the mixer?
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Post by Frodo »

Bill, that's what I was wondering, too. If that is indeed the question, then it works on this end... Nice perk, it is.
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Frodo wrote:As for the Freeze function, my only complaint so far is that it takes too long. Freezes on my system are in real time as opposed to BTD. I didn't find anything clumsy about freezing tracks-- not yet, but I'm still testing.
Cubase SX lets you freeze 'offline' ie. faster, but you have to do it one track at a time. With DP (in a similar way to Pro Tools) you can freeze all of your VI's at once via the bussing (which the freeze function does for you).

Give me DP's way of doing it any day!
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Yeah. Me liked that in DP!
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Post by RMD Music »

Sorry it took so long to respond. Thanks for all your answers.

Anyway, yes, I mean what you described, Frodo.
You're saying that you can now select a track and the corresponding mixer channel will show up in the mixer, regardless where it is in the mix window. It only used to do it Consolidated Windows, but when I wanted the mixer to detach and go to another monitor, it lost it's ablitliy to --follow. Incidentally, Logic uses the term follow for this I believe. THat is what I've been using lately.
Logic's Freeze function is way cool, as you just click the Freeze button and hit play, and everything freezes, and when you're done, you hit the button again and it unfreezes. It does this on as many tracks as you like simultaneously. The thing I dislike about DP and Freezing is that it creates another Audio file that must be visable and it does it in real time. It would also be nice if DP could Freeze or render individual VI' s on seperate tracks, or files with one click.

Also, is the program more stable now and less CPU intensive?

Thanks for the info.
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Well, I just tried it again in DP5.01 both in and out of Consol. Windows, with different combos of adjacent and non-adjacent tracks selected in Tracks Overview. All selections showed up in the Mixer Window as selected.

DP has gotten better than earlier versions of DP with handling VI's. Keep in mind that MOTU has only a matter of weeks ago released the first version of DP containing VI's. It's common knowledge that Logic has some slick features when it comes to how it handles VI's-- one of the reasons why I had to have it. It's also well known that Logic's freeze function is arguably the most exepediant of its kind. DP's freezer is real time, and BTD does *almost* in seconds what DP's freeze does in minutes. Logic's freeze is PDQ, akin to DP's BTD and perhaps faster.

Be that as it may: with both DP and Logic, regardless of how fast or slow the freeze functions might be, if it boils down to fewer than 12 tracks of audio then for me it's more a matter of my squandering my resources. Neither app has shown *much* improvement by freezing (some, but not that much) unless I actually dump VI's loaded with samples. By the time freezing tracks is even an issue, it never comes up without considerations of how close to the breaking point I've driven my computer.

I choose not to use it in DP in favor of BTD and "add to sequence" when needed simply because it's faster and as permanent or temporary as I want it. How others benefit from freezing tracks is no less an individual matter. To that extent, I may be the wrong person to comment further since the freeze feature was not a deal breaker for me.

DP more stable? Again, compared to earlier versions of DP, that's an unequivocal yes. And again, Logic has some pretty clever engine savvy with CPU efficiency in this regard, no doubt. DP 5.01 feels solid to me so far under OS 10.4.7. I've not had any problems yet with my tests to date, and I've seen drops in CPU loads which once dared dip into the red in 4.6x or threatened to shut down MAS. The testing continues..., but I'd be just as happy not to have to report any problems at all where none existed.
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Forgive me, but what are you referring in your reference to BTD?

I've used DP almost everything I've done in the past 8 years
and have always loved it for better or worse.
I got caught up in Logic for various reasons and haven't looked back too much--hence not upgrading to DP5 yet. I will upgrade though eventually. Both Logic and DP rock hard. Meld them together and you'd have the best sequence software ever.

Thanks a bunch for your input.

Randy
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