First beat little bit too early

[gdebraconier]

Hello everybody!
First post, first question.
Just curious: if I bounce or print a MIDI track to a stereo audio track, then the first beat DP finds is always a little bit too early. No big deal, correction is easy.
Anyone else noticed this?

[stubbsonic]

Congrats on first post.

I've not noticed this. I always do a realtime pass of playback and busing the output of the VI to a track.

Do you use Bounce to Disk?

I can test later today.

[HCMarkus]

Are you starting Bounce right on first note? You may wish to start a bar early; may avoid the issue.

As a matter of good practice, I never start sequences at Bar 1, Beat 1. Typically I'll start at Bar 3, Beat 1

[Phil O]

I just set my chunk start time to measure 0 or a negative value. Keeps my measure numbers lined up with score.

Your friendly neighborhood Phil

[gdebraconier]

Thank you all for your answers.
It occurs when I bounce and when I print.
Bouncing from measure 0 to measure 6 and recording from measure 0 to measure 6.
As I mentioned before, it's no big deal.
Just trying to understand why DP does it this way.

[gdebraconier]

And this one:

[stubbsonic]

I'm confused. Looks like all those are starting right on time (not early). There are a variety of zoom levels in your images, but perhaps you can describe it more.

[James Steele]

Are you starting Bounce right on first note? You may wish to start a bar early; may avoid the issue.

As a matter of good practice, I never start sequences at Bar 1, Beat 1. Typically I'll start at Bar 3, Beat 1

Or start on Bar 1 Beat 1 and set your Chunk Start to Measure -1. I like to do that so that my elapsed time indication is accurate.

[HCMarkus]

Are you starting Bounce right on first note? You may wish to start a bar early; may avoid the issue.

As a matter of good practice, I never start sequences at Bar 1, Beat 1. Typically I'll start at Bar 3, Beat 1

Or start on Bar 1 Beat 1 and set your Chunk Start to Measure -1. I like to do that so that my elapsed time indication is accurate.

I've never bothered setting that up in my template. Probably should.

[bayswater]

Interesting. I noticed this too, but never thought much about it. I wonder if this is related to another discussion on the inconsistency DP's tempo maps. We know that getting the first downbeat in a particular place matter, and that the tempo mapping probably depends on beat detection. So maybe if the first beat is a little off the tempo map gets messed up.

[James Steele]

Are you starting Bounce right on first note? You may wish to start a bar early; may avoid the issue.

As a matter of good practice, I never start sequences at Bar 1, Beat 1. Typically I'll start at Bar 3, Beat 1

Or start on Bar 1 Beat 1 and set your Chunk Start to Measure -1. I like to do that so that my elapsed time indication is accurate.

I've never bothered setting that up in my template. Probably should.

Well, I hesitated to mention it because I know you do some scoring where lining up properly with timecode is important. Although I think you can set a chunk start to measure -1, but still set the time code or realtime to whatever you want so it may not matter. I mostly work on rock/metal type songs so I set my starting measure to -1, but then locate to measure 1, beat 1 and note the elapsed time there, then go back to the chunks window and enter a negative elapsed time for the start so that on beat 1, bar 1 the elapsed time is at 0:00 so I get an accurate elapsed time.

Call me old school, but as I have matured and started to put on my producers hat, I'm convinced that the most songs by "amateurs" like myself tend to be too long. At least on the first incarnation of the idea. I've tried to have an almost "alternate producer personality" who can stand back and tell my artistic side "Hey! You can shorten that. That verse could be half as long." One of my goals with any song I write is to make that puppy land somewhere between 3:30 and 4:00 tops. If I go over 4:00 there better be something just freakin' magical in it to justify it. It better be the next "Lucky Man" or "Nights in White Satin"... else suck it up and lop off 20 seconds for me... I don't care HOW you do it! LOL

[James Steele]

Or start on Bar 1 Beat 1 and set your Chunk Start to Measure -1. I like to do that so that my elapsed time indication is accurate.

I was in a hurry and wrong here. The elapsed time is not accurate until you also add a negative offset in the start time as well.

[gdebraconier]

I changed the sequence start time to -1 measure. Makes no difference.
Set the MIDI notes 1 measure later. Makes no difference.
Also deleted tempo & beats, analyzed them again. Makes no difference.
The same occurs with imported sound files.
Well, we're talking about 50 / 60 samples too early at 48kHz....
Thank you all!