DP5.13: crossfade-crash ALWAYS!

[pfc]

Hi all,

i am running DP 5.13 on OS X 10.5.6.
Everytime (100%) when i am about to crossfade 16 bars of music, (drum editing, 18 Tracks, >2000 soundbites), DP randomly crashes while crossfading. It's just a matter of time, but it will crash.
I have this on Intel Core 2 Duo, on different hardware. (PowerMAc and iMac)

If i let him run only 8 Bars, it "sometimes" works.

What is this? I can't believe i am the only one who is experiencing this.
Can anyone give any advise, please?

thx in advance,
Flo

[James Steele]

I don't understand your question exactly. 16 bars... crossfading? Are you doing a 16 bar crossfade? 16 bars, 18 tracks, 2000 drum edits?

[FMiguelez]

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What's the point of doing such long cross fades? There are better ways to achieve what you want, you know?

[Shooshie]

I thought it was just me. Didn't get it. But that's what I thought he said, too: a 16 bar crossfade. That would be a job for automation, more likely.

[kassonica]

Strange.....

Do you have a manual???????

[James Steele]

Yeah... a bit more information is needed. I don't know if he's selecting all the various soundbites and then trying to create crossfades between all the edits simultaneously by creating one and then having all the selected ones do the same thing... but it's just not clear. We really need more information. But what bothers me is I suspect some potential user error here, yet alas, it's quite possible that here's one more Subject header trashing the reputation of DP needlessly. This is why I've been going around (and Shooshie too -- thanks!) appending [Resolved] to these threads when I feel someone simply perusing the titles of the threads would get an erroneous impression of DP's stability, etc.

[FMiguelez]

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Agreed. If I may suggest, if we don't hear back from the OP in a reasonable amount of time, perhaps this thread should be shredded, or at least the title edited to a less dramatic statement.

Oh, and I LOVE the [Resloved] word next to some of the problem topics you just mentioned. It's a GREAT idea, and a FAIR one. It balances the problems showing the solutions. Otherwise, any body checking this forum for the first time might think DP is a piece of junk just by reading so many dramatic threads and titles!

Perhaps that could be a new permanent policy... The OP ought to write the damned word when the issue has been resolved

Si señor!!

[kassonica]

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Agreed. If I may suggest, if we don't hear back from the OP in a reasonable amount of time, perhaps this thread should be shredded, or at least the title edited to a less dramatic statement.

Oh, and I LOVE the [Resloved] word next to some of the problem topics you just mentioned. It's a GREAT idea, and a FAIR one. It balances the problems showing the solutions. Otherwise, any body checking this forum for the first time might think DP is a piece of junk just by reading so many dramatic threads and titles!

Perhaps that could be a new permanent policy... The OP ought to write the damned word when the issue has been resolved

Si señor!!

I 2nd that motion as it's helpful when searching if you have a similar problem.

[pfc]

@James

Concerning the threat title: I don't wanna panic people from using DP, but, unfortunately, in my case, i have this 100% error rate.
Below i will post my (surprising) solution.

But first here again, that's the deal:

I have 15 Drum Tracks (not 18 ), and i create soundbits at every snare / base / tom hit etc. i am doing this for 16 bars in total, quantize it, and then i have to Crossfade it of course!

please find a screenshot below:








view it big:
http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/4874/dp1.jpg

http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/6951/dp2.jpg

When i start the crossfading, DP crashes after a few Minutes, like i described in the first post. end of story.

If you might point your view to this post here
http://www.motunation.com/forum/viewtop ... =1&t=35002
this is a threat from me in which i asked a while ago about which DP version to use.

So, 5.13 with Leopard does not work for me like you can read here.

SOLUTION (for me:)
5.11 with Leopard (right, even that 5.11/Leopard is not officially supported by Motu) W O R K S like a charm for me. I can crossfade 16 bars the way i described above on iMac and on PowerMac., works perfecly and stabil.
So i am wondering, why only i am experiencing this. It's fresh 10.5.6 installation.
My friend is experiencing excactly the same, but with Leopard on PowerPC.
5.11 does only work here, too.

Looking forward reading from you.

Thanks.

[dosuna11]

I still don't get it. I agree with Shoosie Automate.

[mattymac1000]

How and why do you have a soundbite for every single drum hit over 15 tracks? Looks like you just need to merge soundbites.

[James Steele]

I dunno... makes my head hurt and I'm getting too old or tired to care lately. I know 5.11 works with Leopard. 5.12 won't. 5.13 of course is recommended for it. Did the project originate in a version earlier than 5.11?

You could always try selecting half of the tracks then do the crossfades, then select the second half and do it. Maybe it's the sheer number of computations. I suspect something else at work possibly, but things like this are just so had to try and trouble shoot.

One thing you might try is load the project into 5.13 and then do a "Save As..." of the project with the option checked to duplicate audio files. Then open that new project and try it again.

[waterstrum]

I'm running 5.13.
I never before tried doing that many crossfades at one time, but it crashes me too.

[bongo_x]

Doing that type of cross fading is extremely common, I've made a living doing it for over a decade. I think it's better not to mock someone just because you don't understand what they're doing.

The problem with the RESOLVED tag is when I was having a problem a couple weeks ago someone put RESOLVED in the title even though it wasn't, I couldn't figure out how to change it, and no one ever responded again.

bb

[wurliuchi]

Funny, I thought it was common practice to select a range of adjoining soundbites (especially rhythmic ones like drums) and do crossfades to all of them at once. It's a whole lot faster than doing them one at a time, and a lot cleaner than not doing them at all.

Someone mentioned merging. Merging doesn't do anything to affect the transitions between soundbites.

Regardless of whether you use this method of creating xfades or not, there's no doubt the way DP handles xfades is one of its major weaknesses, as far as stability is concerned. It's something MOTU has to fix in DP. I never create even a single crossfade without saving first because DP has crashed too many times when doing so. No version has ever had it right.