OWC posts expected ML requirements

mikehalloran · Post by **mikehalloran** » Sun Jul 22, 2012 11:12 am

Interesting collections of articles and links including a hardware compatibility list. I was surprised to see that Minis before 2009 were not supported.

http://blog.macsales.com/14536-dont-be- ... quirements

I am not sure if I will be an early ML adopter - rather I will install it on a separate HD and play with it awhile before I decide to take the plunge or not.

kgdrum · Post by **kgdrum** » Sun Jul 22, 2012 11:19 am

Great info Mike, thanks for posting.
My rig will be compliant for the possible ML upgrade but as always I'll wait for the dust to settle,give developers time to catch up and make sure ML is purrfect.
I'm still on 10.68 and will not upgrade unless I see ML is a real improved OS.

MIDI Life Crisis · Post by **MIDI Life Crisis** » Sun Jul 22, 2012 12:24 pm

FWIW I'll be on SL for the foreseeable future. It would appear that the Apple OS has kind of "topped out" for this camper. I'm happy with it and it fills my most demanding needs. I'll keep my money or use it for something that is a vertical and not a lateral "improvement."

kgdrum · Post by **kgdrum** » Sun Jul 22, 2012 12:37 pm

Yeah but we all know at some point some app we use & need will be updated and and will not work with SL anymore and we will be pushed towards upgrading.

MIDI Life Crisis · Post by **MIDI Life Crisis** » Sun Jul 22, 2012 12:56 pm

Maybe. Maybe not so much. Certainly for the geekiest among us, but I feel myself gravitating towards more focus on the content of my scores and less towards technological concerns. Old world stuff.

mikehalloran · Post by **mikehalloran** » Mon Jul 23, 2012 2:33 pm

MIDI Life Crisis wrote:Maybe. Maybe not so much. Certainly for the geekiest among us, but I feel myself gravitating towards more focus on the content of my scores and less towards technological concerns. Old world stuff.

For my music applications, I agree although the Magic Trackpad has additional functionality in Lion that I use.

It is my other work where Lion pays off for me.

As for ML, I figure that I am not likely to get past the playing/testing phase until DP 8 ships.

I admit, I am looking forward to seeing how well the new speech recognition works now that I type with one hand (and it's the wrong hand). If that rocks, I'll be there in a second, DP 8 or no. The promise that I can automate certain Time Machine features (backup to different drives) is something that interests me, too.

dosuna11 · Post by **dosuna11** » Thu Aug 02, 2012 9:31 am

MIDI Life Crisis wrote:Maybe. Maybe not so much. Certainly for the geekiest among us, but I feel myself gravitating towards more focus on the content of my scores and less towards technological concerns. Old world stuff.

Cool new reference for future emails or texts: Old world stuff.... OWS
Snow leopard here with no pain. OWS

HCMarkus · Post by **HCMarkus** » Thu Aug 02, 2012 10:18 am

Yeah, our "Old World" Mac Pros...

YouTube · Post by **James Steele** » Thu Aug 02, 2012 1:55 pm

I heard ML is no go on MacPro 1,1.

HCMarkus · Post by **HCMarkus** » Thu Aug 02, 2012 6:06 pm

James Steele wrote:I heard ML is no go on MacPro 1,1.

I heard that too James. Regardless, it is awfully early to jump on the ML bandwagon, even if your hardware allows it, if you are using DP and don't want to be a beta tester.

rhythm_kitchen · Post by **rhythm_kitchen** » Tue Aug 07, 2012 1:38 pm

64 bit firmware is the only performance boost? (powernap requires an SSD boot drive anyway).

The pain is this creator app folder limitation one directory deep.

Directory police ticketing home only?

So is this ML upgrade an 'archive and install' so your SN data is to be found in the previous sys folder? When you drag a mixed creator data folder into home is there an error message? Any auto creation of aliases? The reverse, can you archive a ML data folder including aliased originals?

mikehalloran · Post by **mikehalloran** » Tue Aug 07, 2012 7:54 pm

>64 bit firmware is the only performance boost?<

For most of us, Lion was already booting up 64bit. This is the default unless your system can't - or you forced 32bit through the Terminal. I was surprised by this on my systems - I thought you had to select it in Lion (apparently not).

frankf · Post by **frankf** » Wed Aug 08, 2012 8:32 am

Back to 64bit addressing vs. 64bit kernel, which are 2 different things. Both my music only MacPro 3,1 with 10.6.8 and older MacBook pro 3,1, with MT Lion run apps capable of 64 bit addressing while the Mac is booted into 32 bit kernel. My understanding is that OSX 10.7 &10.8 will auto boot into 64-bit kernel unless the Mac is not supported. I'm not set up to test this here except that i know my MBP is not supported so it cannot auto boot into 64-bit kernel. So, in my case, I can boot into 64-bit kernel on my MacPro, but I'm running 10.6.8 and must do it manually on startup if I choose, which I do not. As i stated, Apple does not support 64-bit kernel on my MBP 3,1, but I hear there's a hack which I'm not interested in attempting. But both can and do run 64-bit apps (those capable of 64-bit addressing) To add to the confusion, I've read articles that have stated that Apple MAY be moving to future OS that requires 64-bit kernel which would orphan older macs like my MBP.

-Open System Info/About this Mac, select Applications and you can see all the 64bit (addressable) applications you have installed. For example, it shows me that Kontakt 4&5, Play, Vienna Ensemble Pro are capable of 64-bit addressing, but not DP7.24.

-Select Software overview to see if the 64-Bit kernel extensions are active.

-Use this app to determine if Apple supports booting in 64-bit kernel on your Mac: http://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/32252/ ... -selector/

The hurdle for DP7 users now is not running Snow Leopard (10.6x) Lion (10.7x) or Mountain Lion (10.

, or our macs' ability to boot into 64 bit kernel, but it's ability to use 64-bit addressing, which will allow DP to address more than 4gb of RAM. DP8 will nicked 64-bit addressing.

At the top, I wrote "my understanding is". If anyone has more knowledge on this than I (I'm sure there are many), please jump in.
Frank

mikehalloran · Post by **mikehalloran** » Wed Aug 08, 2012 8:53 am

>My understanding is that OSX 10.7 &10.8 will auto boot into 64-bit kernel unless the Mac is not supported. <

That is correct. Lion can be forced to boot 32bit but ML will not.

>So, in my case, I can boot into 64-bit kernel on my MacPro, but I'm running 10.6.8 and must do it manually on startup if I choose, which I do not.<

There is a Terminal command that, once executed, will boot your MacPro into 64bit automatically in 10.6.x.

I can't say I noticed much difference except that Logic, which I hardly ever use, runs 64bit. Again, we're all waiting on DP 8.

kgdrum · Post by **kgdrum** » Wed Aug 08, 2012 9:11 am

Mike is correct,there is an app that you can use to reset the Mac to always run in the 64bit kernel.
I can't remember the name I will look and post later.
Another member clued us into it last winter,was it Bayswater?my memory is not there at the moment,lol
I have had mine running this way since January,no problem.In fact I think the system actually runs a bit more efficiently.

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