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Eventide Blackhole and Mac Studio performance hit
Posted: Mon Jun 03, 2024 12:45 pm
by dreamuse
I recently purchased a Mac studio M2, and was therefore surprised--in a bad way--how one instance of Blackhole would cause the performance meter to spike. I can see this spike happen when I click on the meter, and indeed blackhole can cause a given processor to pin.
I've been in contact with Eventide, and they could reproduce the problem. This has to do with M2 (and possibly M3) processors. Hopefully a fix is in the works--soon.
Re: Eventide Blackhole and Mac Studio performance hit
Posted: Mon Jun 03, 2024 2:04 pm
by James Steele
dreamuse wrote: ↑Mon Jun 03, 2024 12:45 pmI've been in contact with Eventide, and they could reproduce the problem. This has to do with M2 (and possibly M3) processors. Hopefully a fix is in the works--soon.
Hmmmm... I was about to mention that I haven't had any problem, and then I saw you mention M2 and M3 processors. Makes sense as I'm on M1 Max. It's so strange that there are these problems. I know there were issues with Kontakt 7 for a while that was affecting M2/M3 but not M1. Hopefully Eventide gets on it quickly!
Re: Eventide Blackhole and Mac Studio performance hit
Posted: Mon Jun 03, 2024 2:20 pm
by cuttime
Are you on the latest version of Sonoma?
Re: Eventide Blackhole and Mac Studio performance hit
Posted: Mon Jun 03, 2024 4:06 pm
by James Steele
cuttime wrote: ↑Mon Jun 03, 2024 2:20 pm
Are you on the latest version of Sonoma?
Yes. 14.5. It's actually in my forum sig, but if you're using Tapatalk, you can't see that.
I'm out of town, so when I get home I'll load the plugin to double check, but I know there have been several examples now of issues that affect M2/M3, but do not affect M1 systems. Weird.
Re: Eventide Blackhole and Mac Studio performance hit
Posted: Mon Jun 03, 2024 4:38 pm
by bayswater
dreamuse wrote: ↑Mon Jun 03, 2024 12:45 pm
I've been in contact with Eventide, and they could reproduce the problem. This has to do with M2 (and possibly M3) processors. Hopefully a fix is in the works--soon.
Did they say anything about who whether Eventide or Apple might be doing the fix?
Re: Eventide Blackhole and Mac Studio performance hit
Posted: Mon Jun 03, 2024 4:41 pm
by cuttime
James Steele wrote: ↑Mon Jun 03, 2024 4:06 pm
cuttime wrote: ↑Mon Jun 03, 2024 2:20 pm
Are you on the latest version of Sonoma?
Yes. 14.5. It's actually in my forum sig, but if you're using Tapatalk, you can't see that.
I'm out of town, so when I get home I'll load the plugin to double check, but I know there have been several examples now of issues that affect M2/M3, but do not affect M1 systems. Weird.
Sorry for the misunderstanding. I was replying to the OP.
Re: Eventide Blackhole and Mac Studio performance hit
Posted: Mon Jun 03, 2024 4:57 pm
by James Steele
cuttime wrote:Sorry for the misunderstanding. I was replying to the OP.
Oops. Sorry.
Re: Eventide Blackhole and Mac Studio performance hit
Posted: Wed Jun 05, 2024 10:20 am
by dreamuse
cuttime wrote: ↑Mon Jun 03, 2024 4:41 pm
James Steele wrote: ↑Mon Jun 03, 2024 4:06 pm
cuttime wrote: ↑Mon Jun 03, 2024 2:20 pm
Are you on the latest version of Sonoma?
Yes. 14.5. It's actually in my forum sig, but if you're using Tapatalk, you can't see that.
I'm out of town, so when I get home I'll load the plugin to double check, but I know there have been several examples now of issues that affect M2/M3, but do not affect M1 systems. Weird.
Sorry for the misunderstanding. I was replying to the OP.
I'm on Sonoma 14.2
Re: Eventide Blackhole and Mac Studio performance hit
Posted: Wed Jun 05, 2024 10:21 am
by dreamuse
bayswater wrote: ↑Mon Jun 03, 2024 4:38 pm
dreamuse wrote: ↑Mon Jun 03, 2024 12:45 pm
I've been in contact with Eventide, and they could reproduce the problem. This has to do with M2 (and possibly M3) processors. Hopefully a fix is in the works--soon.
Did they say anything about who whether Eventide or Apple might be doing the fix?
Not yet, but if someone's gonna fix it, it'll either be Eventide or MOTU, according to Etide.
Re: Eventide Blackhole and Mac Studio performance hit
Posted: Wed Jun 05, 2024 11:10 am
by mikehalloran
dreamuse wrote: ↑Wed Jun 05, 2024 10:20 am
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I'm on Sonoma 14.2
Update to macOS 14.5. This fixed a number of issues that affected the M2 and M3 Macs, DAWs and plug-ins.
Re: Eventide Blackhole and Mac Studio performance hit
Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2024 7:43 am
by dreamuse
Thanks, Mike.
Is there a thread that already contains the things there were solved by moving to 14.5? If not, can you give us a couple of nuggets?
Re: Eventide Blackhole and Mac Studio performance hit
Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2024 9:36 am
by mikehalloran
dreamuse wrote: ↑Thu Jun 06, 2024 7:43 am
Thanks, Mike.
Is there a thread that already contains the things there were solved by moving to 14.5? If not, can you give us a couple of nuggets?
There are a few threads on this but none mention Eventide. Since Blackhole and other plug-ins can be accessed from within Kontakt, this is no surprise.
Kontakt was the big one and Apple was the culprit. A few of us were on the front lines of this issue and I was in contact (pardon the pun) with Apple and NI on this while keeping MOTU informed with every development and beta. Logic, Reaper and DP were most affected DAWs but not the only ones. I've circled what you need to know.
Re: Eventide Blackhole and Mac Studio performance hit
Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2024 3:56 pm
by James Steele
Back in town. Just checked and Eventide Blackhole is fine on my system. Not major CPU hit. Seems to bounce between 1.5 and 3% in Effects meter. I'm on M1 Max Mac Studio and Sonoma 14.5.
Re: Eventide Blackhole and Mac Studio performance hit
Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2024 6:05 am
by dreamuse
mikehalloran wrote: ↑Thu Jun 06, 2024 9:36 am
dreamuse wrote: ↑Thu Jun 06, 2024 7:43 am
Thanks, Mike.
Is there a thread that already contains the things there were solved by moving to 14.5? If not, can you give us a couple of nuggets?
There are a few threads on this but none mention Eventide. Since Blackhole and other plug-ins can be accessed from within Kontakt, this is no surprise.
Kontakt was the big one and Apple was the culprit. A few of us were on the front lines of this issue and I was in contact (pardon the pun) with Apple and NI on this while keeping MOTU informed with every development and beta. Logic, Reaper and DP were most affected DAWs but not the only ones. I've circled what you need to know.
A belated thanks for this Mike! Computer shutdown, eh? I'm surprised to be reading this, as I thought MacOs was better protected from applications. Can you explain what "clamshell mode" is?
Re: Eventide Blackhole and Mac Studio performance hit
Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2024 6:10 am
by dreamuse
James Steele wrote: ↑Thu Jun 06, 2024 3:56 pm
Back in town. Just checked and Eventide Blackhole is fine on my system. Not major CPU hit. Seems to bounce between 1.5 and 3% in Effects meter. I'm on M1 Max Mac Studio and Sonoma 14.5.
Yea, this is indeed an M2, and possibly M3 thing. BUT, as I'll post separately, the latest DP seems to have solved the crazy usage problem, but I'm seeing more like 7-10 ish%.